I ONLY RESPONDED TO THE INITIAL EMAIL "JANE DOE" SENT ME IN THE DETAILED MATTER IN WHICH YOU SEE BELOW, DIRECTLY FOLLOWING MY INTRODUCTION ON THIS DISCUSSION. THEREFORE, YOU WILL NOT SEE A "DIRECT" ADDRESS TO ANYTHING SHE "SPECIFICALLY" STATES IN THIS SECOND EMAIL.
THIS MESSAGE WAS SENT TO ME ONLY AFTER I BREIFLY RESPONDED BACK TO THE INITIAL FB MESSAGE, LETTING MS. DOE KNOW THAT I WOULD GET BACK TO HER SHORTLY WITH A DETAIL RESPONSE TO "ALL" OF HER CONCERNS ADDRESSED IN THE INTIAL FB MESSAGE . IN THAT RESPONSE, I DID HOWEVER ANSWER "SOME" OF THE QUESTIONS AND KINDLY EXPLAINED TO MS. DOE THAT I WAS NOT ABLE TO RESPOND TO "ALL" OF HER QUESTIONS THE WAY I WANTED TO AT THAT TIME. MS. DOE THEN MADE THE ASSUMPTION THAT I WAS SIMPLY STALLING HERE AND FURTHERMORE ASSUMED THAT AT THAT POINT, WHATEVER I HAD TO SAY IN RESPONSE TO HER MANY QUESTIONS, WERE NO LONGER WORTHY OF HER ATTENTION.
AFTER READING THIS SECOND FB MESSAGE THAT YOU ARE ALSO ABOUT TO READ, I REALIZED THEN THAT MS. DOE'S INTENT IN SENDING THE INITIAL MESSAGE WAS NEVER TO ASK ME QUESTIONS SHE SINCERELY WANTED TO HAVE ANSWERED, BUT MERELY TO TAKE ON A SNIDE AND CRAFTY TONE IN SPEWING OUT VEILED INSULTS WHILE ATTEMPTING TO GIVE ME A PIECE OF HER MIND, LIKE SO MANY OTHER DISGRUNTLED T.O.P. MEMBERS HAVE ALREADY DONE. NOW TELL ME, IS THAT WHAT THE LORD COMMANDS? HE SAID TO ALWAYS BE READY TO LISTEN, SLOW TO SPEAK, SLOW TO ANGER AND ALWAYS READY FOR RECONCILIATION, BUT MS. DOE IN HER IMPATIENCE TOWARDS ME FOR NOT ANSWERING HER QUESTIONS IN THE TIMEFRAME “SHE" SAW FIT, SAID THE FOLLOWING:
.................................................................................................................................................................... FROM: "JANE DOE"
TO: Saranne ...
DATE: September 19 at 9:17pm Report
" None of my questions were rhetorical. I really want you to answer them. And you did answer one of them. You don't know these folks personally so you don't know what they're going through with God. Bishop Staples is not doing anything wrong by GETTING THESE MEN IN A CHURCH. You don't know what God is going to do with this situation. The gifts of God are without repentance so even if they are not born again, doesn't negate the fact that they have something God given that the People of God can benefit from.Matthew 7 says that their fruit will show who they are, but that is not saying that we will know their hearts. Whether Steve Harvey's jokes are dirty or not, doesn't make them any less true. What he talks about is true. Peter cursed and was violent but God still revealed His truth to him and him only. All you have on Steve Harvey is his cussing andhis issue about his ex and new wife. If that was pre his acknowledgement of Christ then its null and void. You have become so high minded that you can't even see the fault in what you are doing. We are to be indignant about sin, no doubt about it, but how does anyone come out of it if we stick our noses so far up in the air that we can't see when they're crying for help? Did you read the story FROM THE MOUTH OF YESHUA, about the Publican and the Pharisee? Do you know who you are in that story? It kills me how folk come to the point where they think they've arrived and are sinless...Are you sinless, Saranne? Seriously, that question is not rhetorical either. Even if you don't involve yourself in anything fleshly, your attitude toward these men is sinful. Yes it is. The healthy don't need a physician. Do you not go to a doctor because they're profession is considered by some to be playing God? I was too at a point, where I looked at folk crazy when they did this or that and I found out about it. I have BIG problems with adulterers and abusers of the bretheren, however, I still have fault. May not be the same fault as theirs, but fault nonetheless. And when I got to the point also, that I tried to do EVERYTHING right, I ended up angry and mean. Why? Because its almost impossible. I may not do anything with my hands, but my mind may go wherever it wants to. What I'm trying to get you to understand is that there is nothing that you can do or say that will get me to believe that Bishop's getting these so called sinners in a church is wrong. That's how I see it. Maybe I'm stupid, but I think that God can turn a nasty situation into a beautiful one. They may get filled with the Holy Ghost and "turn from their wicked ways". The New Testament is also full of writings and stories about sinners being used. What was Paul's thorn, Saranne? In so many words, God told him not to even worry about it. To continue to live for and acknowledge Him and everything will be alright. Cornell West knows what Bishop believes of Christ; they've met. You don't know what God is doing with them even now as they prepare to come. All you know is what you see. Have faith that God has this thing under control.At the end of the day, I'm not even worried about what you say of Bishop, Dr. West, or Mr. Harvey, what I'm worried about and what I think you fail to see is what this does to the Body of Christ as a whole. This just gave another waverer reason not to join ANY church. The Temple of Praise is not the only church, but now someone isn't going to go to any church. As long as we call ourselves "contending for the faith" no one will get any, for faith cometh by hearing and that by the Word of God and how can they hear if there be no preacher? If we took everyone out of the church that committed a sin, there would be no one in the building. You don't have to like what's going on at the Temple. If you don't like it, don't come, but don't hinder anyone else from coming to Christ whether it be by way of The Temple or some other house.No need to address anything else I said, I'm done. I just thought I'd be polite and reply to your message. I understand your issues with what's going on and I don't want you to think that I do, but consider yourself before you get on someone else. Seriously. This is not to sweep under the rug what others do, but what really can we do about it? Like I said, if we remove all that do something, then we won't have anyone. "
THIS MESSAGE WAS SENT TO ME ONLY AFTER I BREIFLY RESPONDED BACK TO THE INITIAL FB MESSAGE, LETTING MS. DOE KNOW THAT I WOULD GET BACK TO HER SHORTLY WITH A DETAIL RESPONSE TO "ALL" OF HER CONCERNS ADDRESSED IN THE INTIAL FB MESSAGE . IN THAT RESPONSE, I DID HOWEVER ANSWER "SOME" OF THE QUESTIONS AND KINDLY EXPLAINED TO MS. DOE THAT I WAS NOT ABLE TO RESPOND TO "ALL" OF HER QUESTIONS THE WAY I WANTED TO AT THAT TIME. MS. DOE THEN MADE THE ASSUMPTION THAT I WAS SIMPLY STALLING HERE AND FURTHERMORE ASSUMED THAT AT THAT POINT, WHATEVER I HAD TO SAY IN RESPONSE TO HER MANY QUESTIONS, WERE NO LONGER WORTHY OF HER ATTENTION.
AFTER READING THIS SECOND FB MESSAGE THAT YOU ARE ALSO ABOUT TO READ, I REALIZED THEN THAT MS. DOE'S INTENT IN SENDING THE INITIAL MESSAGE WAS NEVER TO ASK ME QUESTIONS SHE SINCERELY WANTED TO HAVE ANSWERED, BUT MERELY TO TAKE ON A SNIDE AND CRAFTY TONE IN SPEWING OUT VEILED INSULTS WHILE ATTEMPTING TO GIVE ME A PIECE OF HER MIND, LIKE SO MANY OTHER DISGRUNTLED T.O.P. MEMBERS HAVE ALREADY DONE. NOW TELL ME, IS THAT WHAT THE LORD COMMANDS? HE SAID TO ALWAYS BE READY TO LISTEN, SLOW TO SPEAK, SLOW TO ANGER AND ALWAYS READY FOR RECONCILIATION, BUT MS. DOE IN HER IMPATIENCE TOWARDS ME FOR NOT ANSWERING HER QUESTIONS IN THE TIMEFRAME “SHE" SAW FIT, SAID THE FOLLOWING:
.................................................................................................................................................................... FROM: "JANE DOE"
TO: Saranne ...
DATE: September 19 at 9:17pm Report
" None of my questions were rhetorical. I really want you to answer them. And you did answer one of them. You don't know these folks personally so you don't know what they're going through with God. Bishop Staples is not doing anything wrong by GETTING THESE MEN IN A CHURCH. You don't know what God is going to do with this situation. The gifts of God are without repentance so even if they are not born again, doesn't negate the fact that they have something God given that the People of God can benefit from.Matthew 7 says that their fruit will show who they are, but that is not saying that we will know their hearts. Whether Steve Harvey's jokes are dirty or not, doesn't make them any less true. What he talks about is true. Peter cursed and was violent but God still revealed His truth to him and him only. All you have on Steve Harvey is his cussing andhis issue about his ex and new wife. If that was pre his acknowledgement of Christ then its null and void. You have become so high minded that you can't even see the fault in what you are doing. We are to be indignant about sin, no doubt about it, but how does anyone come out of it if we stick our noses so far up in the air that we can't see when they're crying for help? Did you read the story FROM THE MOUTH OF YESHUA, about the Publican and the Pharisee? Do you know who you are in that story? It kills me how folk come to the point where they think they've arrived and are sinless...Are you sinless, Saranne? Seriously, that question is not rhetorical either. Even if you don't involve yourself in anything fleshly, your attitude toward these men is sinful. Yes it is. The healthy don't need a physician. Do you not go to a doctor because they're profession is considered by some to be playing God? I was too at a point, where I looked at folk crazy when they did this or that and I found out about it. I have BIG problems with adulterers and abusers of the bretheren, however, I still have fault. May not be the same fault as theirs, but fault nonetheless. And when I got to the point also, that I tried to do EVERYTHING right, I ended up angry and mean. Why? Because its almost impossible. I may not do anything with my hands, but my mind may go wherever it wants to. What I'm trying to get you to understand is that there is nothing that you can do or say that will get me to believe that Bishop's getting these so called sinners in a church is wrong. That's how I see it. Maybe I'm stupid, but I think that God can turn a nasty situation into a beautiful one. They may get filled with the Holy Ghost and "turn from their wicked ways". The New Testament is also full of writings and stories about sinners being used. What was Paul's thorn, Saranne? In so many words, God told him not to even worry about it. To continue to live for and acknowledge Him and everything will be alright. Cornell West knows what Bishop believes of Christ; they've met. You don't know what God is doing with them even now as they prepare to come. All you know is what you see. Have faith that God has this thing under control.At the end of the day, I'm not even worried about what you say of Bishop, Dr. West, or Mr. Harvey, what I'm worried about and what I think you fail to see is what this does to the Body of Christ as a whole. This just gave another waverer reason not to join ANY church. The Temple of Praise is not the only church, but now someone isn't going to go to any church. As long as we call ourselves "contending for the faith" no one will get any, for faith cometh by hearing and that by the Word of God and how can they hear if there be no preacher? If we took everyone out of the church that committed a sin, there would be no one in the building. You don't have to like what's going on at the Temple. If you don't like it, don't come, but don't hinder anyone else from coming to Christ whether it be by way of The Temple or some other house.No need to address anything else I said, I'm done. I just thought I'd be polite and reply to your message. I understand your issues with what's going on and I don't want you to think that I do, but consider yourself before you get on someone else. Seriously. This is not to sweep under the rug what others do, but what really can we do about it? Like I said, if we remove all that do something, then we won't have anyone. "
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